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	<title>Comments on: 5 Reasons You&#8217;re Not Getting My Shorty Vote</title>
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		<title>By: Richmond SEM</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>Richmond SEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis,

When I buy tickets to a concert or show, I&#039;m doing so with an expectation. That expectation is based on what I&#039;ve known about the band and their music. But my experience does not end when I buy those tickets. I still have to drive to the show, park, wait in line, go inside, buy a drink, get in my seat, then sit and watch the show. After that I leave the venue, get in my car, maybe sit in traffic, and finally get home. Everything that happens to me that night from parking my car to getting home will impact what I thought of the show, my night, and if I would do it again. If you&#039;re only focused on getting me to buy a ticket the first time and NOT on delivering a good product (affordable parking, bearable lines, reasonable drinks, good seats, good show) then you are not gaining my loyalty. This is analogous to just getting me to follow you twitter or Facebook page, but not adding any value to me after I&#039;ve done so.

We subscribe to a brand based on what we expect to receive. When it changes or becomes something else, we choose not subscribe anymore. I expected to have a great night because I love a band&#039;s music, but when the show is poorly organized and the music is poorly mixed, I&#039;m going to think twice about going to see that band or going to that venue.

I would re-think your understanding that social media is entirely about opting in or out of a campaign. You can still make people upset and turn them off of your brand when you don&#039;t deliver - even after they&#039;ve lent you their eyeballs&#039; attention. In this age when word of mouth is on steroids (r. @garvee), doing this to your audience can have massively damaging consequences. 

I would spend more time focusing on how to make things right with your community/audience and less on trying to defend a point or opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis,</p>
<p>When I buy tickets to a concert or show, I&#8217;m doing so with an expectation. That expectation is based on what I&#8217;ve known about the band and their music. But my experience does not end when I buy those tickets. I still have to drive to the show, park, wait in line, go inside, buy a drink, get in my seat, then sit and watch the show. After that I leave the venue, get in my car, maybe sit in traffic, and finally get home. Everything that happens to me that night from parking my car to getting home will impact what I thought of the show, my night, and if I would do it again. If you&#8217;re only focused on getting me to buy a ticket the first time and NOT on delivering a good product (affordable parking, bearable lines, reasonable drinks, good seats, good show) then you are not gaining my loyalty. This is analogous to just getting me to follow you twitter or Facebook page, but not adding any value to me after I&#8217;ve done so.</p>
<p>We subscribe to a brand based on what we expect to receive. When it changes or becomes something else, we choose not subscribe anymore. I expected to have a great night because I love a band&#8217;s music, but when the show is poorly organized and the music is poorly mixed, I&#8217;m going to think twice about going to see that band or going to that venue.</p>
<p>I would re-think your understanding that social media is entirely about opting in or out of a campaign. You can still make people upset and turn them off of your brand when you don&#8217;t deliver &#8211; even after they&#8217;ve lent you their eyeballs&#8217; attention. In this age when word of mouth is on steroids (r. @garvee), doing this to your audience can have massively damaging consequences. </p>
<p>I would spend more time focusing on how to make things right with your community/audience and less on trying to defend a point or opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Twitterer</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3642</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Twitterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 03:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://search.twitter.com/search?q=shorty+%23rva
14 pages of Shorty Tweets tagged with #RVA in the last two days.

For a fun game, see if you can guess the common denominator employer.

You seem to be mad that we listened and didn&#039;t like what we heard, being able to only repeat that we &quot;asked for it&quot; by listening, searching, looking at all. Hey, point taken, we&#039;ll stop listening to that brand.

Likewise, if you&#039;re unhappy with someone&#039;s reaction, stop reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=shorty+%23rva" rel="nofollow">http://search.twitter.com/search?q=shorty+%23rva</a><br />
14 pages of Shorty Tweets tagged with #RVA in the last two days.</p>
<p>For a fun game, see if you can guess the common denominator employer.</p>
<p>You seem to be mad that we listened and didn&#8217;t like what we heard, being able to only repeat that we &#8220;asked for it&#8221; by listening, searching, looking at all. Hey, point taken, we&#8217;ll stop listening to that brand.</p>
<p>Likewise, if you&#8217;re unhappy with someone&#8217;s reaction, stop reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3641</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither of my comments were about Dave and what he does or doesn&#039;t do so I&#039;m not sure why that was brought into a conversation with me, they were simply about the fact you have the choice on what type of information you receive in social media. You can complain about what someone is saying all you want but the fact of the matter is that if you don&#039;t like the content of someone&#039;s message unfollow or complain or do whatever it is that makes you feel better, but don&#039;t incorrectly classify it as spam because you chose to receive that content and you can choose to not receive it just as easily and classifying it as something it&#039;s not simply to share your opinion is nothing but malicious. I won&#039;t speak for Madison+Main but I know this if you want to follow me and be a part of my brand great, if not that&#039;s fine too. The equity of an brand lies in it&#039;s most loyal supporters and I was able to leverage my most loyal supporters to garner votes for my own Shorty just like Dave was able to leverage the loyalty of his most loyal supporters to garner the votes he did. Side note Dave has not reached out to me about any of these post, I&#039;m not sure if he even knows I&#039;ve made them. I simpley felt the need to engage in the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither of my comments were about Dave and what he does or doesn&#8217;t do so I&#8217;m not sure why that was brought into a conversation with me, they were simply about the fact you have the choice on what type of information you receive in social media. You can complain about what someone is saying all you want but the fact of the matter is that if you don&#8217;t like the content of someone&#8217;s message unfollow or complain or do whatever it is that makes you feel better, but don&#8217;t incorrectly classify it as spam because you chose to receive that content and you can choose to not receive it just as easily and classifying it as something it&#8217;s not simply to share your opinion is nothing but malicious. I won&#8217;t speak for Madison+Main but I know this if you want to follow me and be a part of my brand great, if not that&#8217;s fine too. The equity of an brand lies in it&#8217;s most loyal supporters and I was able to leverage my most loyal supporters to garner votes for my own Shorty just like Dave was able to leverage the loyalty of his most loyal supporters to garner the votes he did. Side note Dave has not reached out to me about any of these post, I&#8217;m not sure if he even knows I&#8217;ve made them. I simpley felt the need to engage in the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richmond SEM</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3640</link>
		<dc:creator>Richmond SEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Travis
I don&#039;t think anyone, especially Andrew, is missing the point here. In fact, I think Andrew articulated it about as well as anyone can (that includes the big boys). 

 People + Relationships + Communication = Bingo.

Dave has the first point covered. Obviously, enough people are in touch with what he&#039;s doing/saying to warrant a blog post. It gets sticky at relationships and especially at communication. Based on the edits to your post, Dave has clearly reached out to you, but what about everyone else on here and Twitter that have expressed frustration in his Twitter behavior? Whether you are a personal or corporate brand, this is an opportunity to reach out, make a personal connection, clarify what needs clarification, and move on. When I tweet that my Comcast service is going bonkers, I get a response from a Comcast rep within minutes offering to help me out. What I DON&#039;T see is Comcast publicly tweeting that too many people complain about their service. Why? Because that&#039;s not showing people you care. It sends a really (and I mean REALLY) negative message about your brand. I respect Dave, his agency, and his work, but I was blown away to see his response to this and a similar incident from last week (i.e. @thedaryljohnson). 

Back to Travis&#039; comment, we &quot;opt in&quot; to a brand because we are subscribing to who they are and what they represent. The day that changes course in a direction we don&#039;t like, we leave. That&#039;s when you&#039;ve lost brand loyalty. 

While I think everyone agrees Dave got carried away promoting himself, I think his biggest foul up to this point is how he&#039;s reacted. No one does everything right 100% of the time, but not owning up and showing people you care is not going to make you come out on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Travis<br />
I don&#8217;t think anyone, especially Andrew, is missing the point here. In fact, I think Andrew articulated it about as well as anyone can (that includes the big boys). </p>
<p> People + Relationships + Communication = Bingo.</p>
<p>Dave has the first point covered. Obviously, enough people are in touch with what he&#8217;s doing/saying to warrant a blog post. It gets sticky at relationships and especially at communication. Based on the edits to your post, Dave has clearly reached out to you, but what about everyone else on here and Twitter that have expressed frustration in his Twitter behavior? Whether you are a personal or corporate brand, this is an opportunity to reach out, make a personal connection, clarify what needs clarification, and move on. When I tweet that my Comcast service is going bonkers, I get a response from a Comcast rep within minutes offering to help me out. What I DON&#8217;T see is Comcast publicly tweeting that too many people complain about their service. Why? Because that&#8217;s not showing people you care. It sends a really (and I mean REALLY) negative message about your brand. I respect Dave, his agency, and his work, but I was blown away to see his response to this and a similar incident from last week (i.e. @thedaryljohnson). </p>
<p>Back to Travis&#8217; comment, we &#8220;opt in&#8221; to a brand because we are subscribing to who they are and what they represent. The day that changes course in a direction we don&#8217;t like, we leave. That&#8217;s when you&#8217;ve lost brand loyalty. </p>
<p>While I think everyone agrees Dave got carried away promoting himself, I think his biggest foul up to this point is how he&#8217;s reacted. No one does everything right 100% of the time, but not owning up and showing people you care is not going to make you come out on top.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3639</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears as though you agree with me. You choose you&#039;re searches you choose which list you follow. If you are not happy with the results of those searches or the information in the list you have the choice to alter your search or unfollow a list. I&#039;m also assuming, maybe incorrectly, that you&#039;re saying the #RVA has become tainted by the Shorty Award voting post. I would hardly say that anyone&#039;s tweets were enough to even make a discernible difference in the hashtag&#039;s stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears as though you agree with me. You choose you&#8217;re searches you choose which list you follow. If you are not happy with the results of those searches or the information in the list you have the choice to alter your search or unfollow a list. I&#8217;m also assuming, maybe incorrectly, that you&#8217;re saying the #RVA has become tainted by the Shorty Award voting post. I would hardly say that anyone&#8217;s tweets were enough to even make a discernible difference in the hashtag&#8217;s stream.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Twitterer</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3638</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Twitterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. Except that you don&#039;t have to follow someone to be affected by their spam. Lists you follow (that you may not control) become tainted. Local hashtags become insufferable to follow. Searches of Twitterers by geography become clogged. It isn&#039;t coming to a private email, it&#039;s being said out loud.

If you only think of social media as an opt-in strategy on the readers part, I think you are the one missing the point and trying to apply a very traditional-marketing mindset. It is about signal to noise and community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. Except that you don&#8217;t have to follow someone to be affected by their spam. Lists you follow (that you may not control) become tainted. Local hashtags become insufferable to follow. Searches of Twitterers by geography become clogged. It isn&#8217;t coming to a private email, it&#8217;s being said out loud.</p>
<p>If you only think of social media as an opt-in strategy on the readers part, I think you are the one missing the point and trying to apply a very traditional-marketing mindset. It is about signal to noise and community.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.yoursearchadvisor.com/blog/5-reasons-youre-not-getting-my-shorty-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3637</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way sorry about the typos, I am in no way a copywriter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way sorry about the typos, I am in no way a copywriter</p>
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